Conversation With a Christian

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how do i know you?

lol i'm not sure...

just about to check that out lol

looks like its from church

you go to calvary sawgrass?

used to

like two years ago

used to be like the most charismatic christian in that place

now I'm a mix of atheist, nihilist, buddhit, hippie LOL

oh well i worked at HW and was really tight with nicole

oh really?

why is that?

cuz well,

I started to find 'truths' behind the things I was experiencing

like first it was worship

I studied hypnosis

and inadvertantly learned how and why what was happening was happening

I could psychologically explain what I was experiencing

which takes the whole super natural thing out of the miz

mix

and then I just kept doing that

......

and this was much better than the love and mercy Jesus has to offer you>

ermmm

if I can explain the experience scientifically, it removes credit from the super natural

and faith in god comes from experiencing the super natural

thats where his credibility comes from

mostly

the unexplainable

the effect without a cause

so you've solved all the unexplainable about GOd with scientific experiment?

not necessarily

I'm talking about things like speaking in tongues

where the sense of fulfillment comes from

how beliefs work

why being in a church is so important

why his commands make sense biologically

at some point

sure

at first I was like "This is a system that god has put in place, and look how wonderfully it works"

and then I saw that the same system is present in other religions

and other communities

i completely disagree

thats fine.

Gods system is one based on love and compassion, a system of mercy where it doesn't matter what you do or what you've done, where its all based on Jesus and His sacrifce

i know of no other religion or community that based on that kind of love

mhm

I'm not talking about that

I'm talking about a system that meets human needs

the concepts or morals can be different

but the fundamental biological needs, and psyhological needs

it sounds like you've got a whole lot of big terms and no substance behind any of it

(sorry for the harsh honesty)

(i'm not good at being gentle)

hmm

ok

the thing is

its a lot of little details

but I'd be happy to go into depth if you'd like me to

thats what i like about the Lord

its simple

would you like me to explain?

Jesus and Him crucified, and if you ever truly experienced Him, there's no way you could have ever turned away from Him

or maybe you've turned away, but you'll be back

I used to speak in tongues

He's faithful and He loves you

I used to believe in prophecies

I used to preach to the kids at school

I used to be so on fire for god

that I was to hot for even my church friends

all of those things are just works...

I basically was isolated for being so in love with god

no woman, I did these things from the heart

I was led to cry broken down every night because of my sins

I used to dream of heaven

and watch the clouds and cry

because I felt the lord precesnse

Every thought used to be a prayer

I made my thinking, habitual thinking

all praryer

it was like my brain never stopped praying

its mental dialogue was ongoing prayers

I took this as far as I could

I would shake (like have a low tremble) of energy when I'd willingly speak to my classes about jesus

I'd cry out of fear that my family would burn in hell for not beleiving

can you honestly tell me that I didn't believe?

I know what the Bible says to be true....that once you've tasted and seen that the Lord is good, there's no turning back

so if all those things are true, then you're just working on your testimony and you'll be back to the Maker of Heaven and Earth

maybe I will be

I just don't see God as I would have before

I can't

I rely on what is already fundamentally true and objective to lead me

much of what I've found come full circle

back to the bible

in many ways, but mostly morally speaking

as far as miracles are concerned, not so much

then you don't fully realize the power of God

have you quesioned what God physically is?

what he could be

a being with those attributes?

i've had quite a bit of questioning my faith...I'm actually good friends with my philosophy professor and we talk all the time about these sorts of things

and everytime i walk away, i remind myself that i understood everything about God, He would cease to be God

and that without God, everything is left to man's interpretation

and if there is no God, then nihilism is definitely the only other alternative

yep

the thing is

nihilism is very objective

where as belief in god is subjective

okay so this question might be a bit far out there...but if you believe in nihilism why haven't you killed yourself?

because I don't necessarily subscribe to everything it would say

I've read a sucicide note from some dude who was nihilistic

and he's brilliant

see....you take bits and pieces of what works for you

no

its like a buffet of religions and beliefs

you said yourself, your atheist, nihilist, a little bit of buddhist, something like that

mhm

thats ebcause I see similarities in everything

its like

I see the otherside of everything

like neo in the matrix

its crazy

what about the contradictions?

there are none

which is even more mental

as in 'mind blowing'

no contradictions between buddhism and atheism?

I haven't studied them exclusively

any of them

with the exception of Christianity

exactly...you take bits and pieces of what you like

erm... I haven't really read much at all

its mostly from my own seeing of things

honestly

I can tell you that honestly

if it were not true I'd digress

so...you are depending on man's interpretations

your own interpretations

objective sight

even that

"its mostly from my own seeing of things"

yep

sounds pretty subjective to me

is 1 + 1 =3?

or 2

2

is that subjective?

or objective

nope...its objective, because the laws of mathematics are truths, whether we believe them or not

exactly

so can you agree that objective truth is true no matter what we think?

absolutely

great

well thats how I think

lol

Also, I don't just say something is true, even if it's got lots of evidence behind it

its more of a probability

either high or low

and as far as God is concerned, its a really low probability, from an objective standpoint

not imporssible

just highly improbable

disagree again

and honestly nick, i could go into arguments for Gods existence

but i've learned that no one will ever be argued into loving the Lord

so no matter where else this conversation leads, it will never be about my argument

if (and when) you return to the Lord, it is because His grace is sufficient for you

and because His love compels you to let go of your doubts and your intellect and trust in something so much greater than yourself

?

let go of my intellect?

is intellect what holds me back?

not intellect

so I should just follow blindly?

but the perception that intellect supersedes the notion of God

you should never follow blindly

ok

continue to research, continue to look

give me 5 objective reasons to believe in god

but the Lord says, if you seek Him, you will find Him

yes

no, i won't

thats called beind biased

and not because i can't, but because i know it will do nothing for you spiritually

what does spiritually mean?

you want me to answer that question, so you can break down my argument one by one

what is spiritual?

thats because its not objective

its to easy to pick apart

spiritual in the sense of your spiritual connection to God

what is that?

objectively

what could that possibly mean

i just said what it was

your connection to God...living in the Spirit v. living in the flesh

what is spiritual? what is the spirit?

a feeling?

nope

how do you now of it?

do you sense it?

it is the eternal part of you

what is eternal?

objectively speaking

I can't deal with anything other than what is objective

not restricted by time

like what

the life span of a cell? Living Organism? Eco system?

Star, planet

nope all of those are restricted by time

solar system, galaxy, contesllation, universe?

time is a dimension that the physical world is limited to

mhm

so what

so our soul is not limited to the dimension of time

ps you sound very bitter

what is the soul?

(you forgot to say objectively)

(:

you know it

it is the part of us that is eternal, that connects us to God, that sets us apart from animals

ok

sure

material-wise

what is it

its immaterial

so its made of nothing

okay wait...so you believe in just the physical?

materialist?

I'd put my money on it

so emotions are....chemicals?

yep

what else could they be?

without nerves

how could you sense them?

Today

without any of the nuerological systems in the mind and body

If the thinking keeps going from there

I reach a point where life has no meaning

and thats the empirical truth, whether I want to accept that or not

and from there I'm free to assign whatever meaning I want to life

so why not kill yourself?

no

that requires a belief system

oh so you have no belief system?

no

I can choose

the meaning

like

basically

that sounds subjective to me

it is

what happened to your objective obsession

subjectivity has its place in everything

hmmmm interesting

it still exists in the objective world

can i be completely honest with you?

sure

it sounds like you're being taken for a whirlwind of so called "intellect", a strong device of the enemy

again, the Lord loves you

so I implore you to seek Him

hold on

life has plenty of meaning

love and reason

no, Jesus and living your life for Him

again, I know i'm not going to convince you

it will only be through His spirit

i have to go

but its been a pleasure talking to you

know that you are now in my prayers, and I hope you will one day soon come back to a true belief of love of the Lord

if its not objective, its subjective

clearly

by logic

everything you just said

is subjective

doesn't subjectivity have its place in everything? (:

(not saying its subjective, but if it is...)

yes

for hope

survival

against all odds

its a probability thing

nahh, its a God thing (:

lol

well i really have to run

have a great night

you too

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