This pisses me off so badly........
Person: You can be a leader of men.
You should start a cult.
Person: You have that ability.
me: enlightenment is not in need of a cult broskie
I bet I do
but I don't want to
don't need to
I have a 'network' lol
if you want to call that a cult
8:54 PM Person: 'enlightenment' does nothing for me.
me: if it fits at all by definition
maybe because your not enlightened
me: I'm listening
Person: I was just a brain in a jar in some paralelle universe.
and this was all my own fabrication
the entire universe.
8:55 PM A matrix of the mind?
me: I don't get it
Person: I can not prove it to be true.
Nor can you prove it to be false.
If it were real.
It chages nothing.
8:56 PM Because I exist in this worlds perspective.
If I woke up in the other world.
I would be in that perspective.
asking the question does nothing.
Its more valuable to pursue science.
8:57 PM Provable things.
To better truely understand the universe we are in.
me: I agree
whats that have to do with what I'm talking about
8:58 PM look.
science helps pave an understanding of the world with reason
which is exactly
Person: You are making what you are talking aboutspecial, when in fact it is not.
me: what people should be using
Person: There is a self.
me: there is a reason it is special
8:59 PM no
there is no ego
Person: There is no spirit.
me: ego is an illusion
there is no soul
Person: Why are you so surprised by this?
me: I'm not
its not about knowledge
of this fact
9:00 PM even if there were
Person: Well this is what you are 'enlightened' to.
me: it would make no difference
I can see you are in some way trying to get where I get the idea that what I see is special
there is a reason it is special
Person: And that is?
9:01 PM me: its the ultimatum of the virtue nonattachment
its the source of true fulfillment
some people call it "pure" self esteem
but thats inaccurate
because there is no self to esteem
9:02 PM Person: again Nick. There is a self.
Get your semantics right.
You are yourself.
It is a matter of reference.
There is no spirit.
There is no soul.
There is a self.
9:03 PM I am my self.
me: no self. ego, I
Person: you are your self
let me articulate
insults are what
why are they meaningful?
Person: They arent
me: they are totally void
9:04 PM Person: That doesn't change the reference of the self.
ego = illusion
You need to learn about semantics.
me: if you want to refer self to physical body and cognitive shit then fine
but all that is one with everything else
Person: and physchology :P real pysch not the bs they taught at BC
me: there isn't anyone driving any of it
9:05 PM it just is
there isn't anyone inside your brain
Person: cognitive function is what drives the body
me: or your body
Person: That is the self
Person: The self dies forever when the mind does.
me: stop for a second
science is about testing
and forming a hypothesis
and testing it
you can push these ideas around all you want
9:06 PM but until you get down to testing your hypothesis
its just that
the only thing
Person: I can prove higher cognitive ability
I can label it self.
me: it just is what it is
its like studying
Person: You need to call Atheist Experience next sunday
9:07 PM me: someone having a stroke
versus having a stroke
Person: Id love to hear what they have to say
me: have yoruself a stroke
Person: theyd probably be just as confused as what you are trying to get at
me: You want to know why this is special
I told you why
9:08 PM now what exactly are you getting at
science is going to do that for you?
Person: I'm getting at you are dangerously close to pseudoscience
me: give you fulfillment and naturall cause you to be unattached to all things?
9:09 PM Person: My life goal is to understand all things
me: show me how science will rid people of the illusion of ego
Person: the way to do this is via science
ego is real
Person: psych 101
me: it is an assumption
the assumption is real
living through an assumption
isn't exactly the best way to go about life
Person: even if the self still exists .
9:10 PM me: just say the mind
self implies many things
Person: and again if i concide more, what does it do for me?
Person: it tells me nothing new about the world I live in.
me: say that again?
its not going to magically do anything for anyone
9:11 PM Person: Thats the way you are making it out to be
its no magical
its not special
Person: like its something so special the 'enlightenment'
is a better word for it
can be another
9:12 PM Person: I realized all this shit when I was like 15
wasn't that thrilled by it
i was just like oh
me: your not thrilled
Person: same with santa not being real
oh that makes sense
me: by the fact that your past is only memories, that there isn't a reason to be bound by them.
does not define
or have to anyway
9:13 PM that
Person: the past and future exist
Person: Its called spacetime
Person: they can be traveled tp
me: what the hell does that do for anyone?
Person: time can be manipularted
me: it doesn't undo the holocoust
it doesnt' avoid a catastrpohy
Person: that does quite a bit in fact lol
me: it doesn't even prove the self
Person: its the core to quantum machinacics which is at work everyday in computer chips
9:14 PM me: so what
Person: so it works
me: does it do any of the things I mentioned?
Person: It doesn't need to
me: then who cares
Person: because its real
me: who cares?
its not going to raise the dead
its not going to avoid desasters
at least not right now
9:15 PM its not going to free people of thier 'mistakes'
Person: I could care less about that
me: its not going to end wars
Person: Im more concerned with moving technology forward
me: you don't care?
you would rather let the world burn
me: as you watch computers advance?
thats it then
Person: "I am become death, the destoryer of worlds."
9:16 PM me: who said that?
Person: The man who made the atomic bomb.
They knew it could be used to wipe out the entire planet.
me: you've reached the realization, as I have, that no matter what, its all insignificant anyways
Person: But they made it for the sake of making it.
me: am I wrong?
9:17 PM My life is significant
Because its mine.
and I only have a limited time
me: your fuckin deluded. I'm done with this conversation Person.
your not deluded
me: you have no compassion for humanity